Friday Open Thread

Friday Open Thread

Now in English!

Talk about what you want but it must be related to pop culture.

All others will be deleted.

News and Rumors:

CW is getting sold. I suppose this isn’t much of a surprise. Background for those with poor memories.

UPN was started in the 1990s by Paramount and frankly, it always struggled. Its flagship show was Star Trek Voyager and that pretty much says it all. I will grant it had a few bright sparks here and there. Everybody Hates Chris, Veronica Mars and America’s Top Model were about it though.

The WB on the other hand was doing a lot better. It had Felicity, Buffy, Angel, Gilmore Girls, Smallville, and some others. Its real money maker was the Kid’s WB which was an all-animated block, when that declined in the mid-2000s so did the WB.

Consequently, when Battlestar Galactica tanked Star Trek Enterprise the UPN came to the WB and said, “let’s merge.” Warner had the controlling stake in the new company and the new company proceeded to stumble along like two drunks helping each other walk down the street.

But all good and even mediocre things must come to an end. CW is now being sold off to the company that owns most of the affiliated stations.

Warner Brothers wants content for HBOmax and Paramount just plain wants cash.

The question I have now is, will Batwoman finally be canceled?

UPDATE:

Oh no! The guy in charge of Wizards of the Coast has just been bumped up to the CEO of all of Hasbro. Body-positive non-binary Trans GI Joe will be in the stores by Christmas.

SECOND UPDATE:

Ha! Ha! Ha! (gasp…wheez…gasp) Ha! Ha! Ha!

Super-feminist action-adventure spy movie, The 355 had an opening night premiere take of (a mind-boggling) $350,000. This is against a budget of $40 million!

Even Charlie’s Angels (2019) had a better opening than this.

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  • doug Reply

    Babylon 5 was UPN I thought that was a high point.

    January 7, 2022 at 4:50 pm
    • The Dark Herald Reply

      You’re are thinking of the PTEN. It was Warner Brothers’ network before they shut it down and created the WB. They also had Kung Fu the Legend Continues and Time Trax. Remember those classics?

      January 7, 2022 at 6:32 pm
      • doug Reply

        Not only do I remember them, I have all of them. TT was released on DVD and KF I have downloaded.

        January 8, 2022 at 2:42 am
  • Brick Hardslab Reply

    I was watching superpower beat down and while the episodes are short they are better than anything Marvel, Disney or DC is currently producing.

    January 7, 2022 at 6:11 pm
  • Robert W Reply

    Watched the Disney animated Bolt yesterday with the kids. Honestly, it’s good and doesn’t have much to detract from it as a family friendly film that’s entertaining for all parties.

    The premise of the movie is that the dog is part of a tv show where a super genius dad is kidnapped by an evil villain. This green eyed man knows the genius father will never crack unless he can leverage his daughter against him, so he’s always trying to kidnap her. The father made this augmented super dog to protect her, named Bolt.

    This got me wondering a few things.
    1. Why was there never a show made with this premise? Flesh out the universe, sell more toys, establish a franchise with sequel opportunities.
    2. Disney doesn’t actually want my family to succeed, so why did nothing spark my suspicion radar?
    2a. It’s another Disney story without a Father. The real life girl didn’t have one and the mother is a total pushover.
    2b. It normalizes the child star being groomed by the system and plants a benevolent feel for the studio system in a child’s mind.
    3. Looking at budget numbers, it cost 150mil to make and world wide gross 310mil… So why didn’t this movie make better hay? Never even cracked the top spot on release in 11/08

    January 7, 2022 at 6:31 pm
  • David Reply

    I just saw from Vox that the Awakener is being released in English later this month. I never saw the original, is it suitable for younger teens aka PG-13 or is it closer to an R rating?

    January 7, 2022 at 7:30 pm
  • EXALT Reply

    Did you ever notice that Empire Strikes Back doesn’t really follow all that well from the original SW movie?
    1)In ANH, Tarkin and the other imperial big shots clearly state that, with the dissolution of the senate, the Emperor has no way of keeping his territories under control – except the terror engendered by the Death Star, which gets blown up half a day later. That’s the reason the rebels are having a leisurely celebration at the end, instead of evacuating their no-longer-secret base – from the POV of the first movie, the Empire is crumbling at that precise moment.
    2)The Death Star was destroyed, in large part, because of Vader’s tactical error: he let Leia and the others escape with the plans so he could follow them to their secret base. With this, old Darth is responsible for one of the most devastating military defeats of all time.
    3)And of course, Darth Vader was not Luke’s father in the first movie.
    So a proper follow-up of A New Hope should have shown the newly established Republic mopping up the last imperial remains, while Luke leads a team in the hunt for Vader who, far from being able to strangle officers willy-nilly, should be the most despised man in the universe, a target for both sides – and not Luke’s father. Instead, ESB made a soft reboot before there was a term for it, so that the status quo could remain Empire vs. Rebels – not that dissimilar from what Abrams did 35 years later. Just food for thought.

    January 7, 2022 at 9:43 pm
    • Eli Reply

      I always thought that Vader being Luke’s father was a mistake. You actually pinpointed another flaw as to why Empire and later ROTJ didn’t quite fit in with the first movie. Even as a child it didn’t seem that these movies flowed together that well. Now I know why.

      January 7, 2022 at 9:50 pm
    • The Dark Herald Reply

      Until Rogue One, I was partial to the theory that the destruction of the first Deathstar had been a deliberate plan of the emperor’s.

      Scenario: The Imperial Military has gone from strength to strength after the Clone Wars ended. They became like the Prussian General Staff. Loyal to the Emperor, of course. But obediant? Well, that would depend on the orders he was giving, wouldn’t it? Circumspect disobedience was for the good of the Empire as a whole if the Emperor was making the wrong decisions. After all, the Emperor needs the Imperial Navy, not the other way around.

      Having the Imperial Navy heavily invest its key senior personnel and strategic resources into one project was effectively putting all the eggs in one basket and then dropping the basket. Once that happened, the general staff and over a million combat effectives were dead. Now the Imperial military now needs the Emperor in order to gather significant resources for them. The balance of power has shifted back to Palpatine.

      In this scenario, if the rebels didn’t destroy the Deathstar, Vader was (presumably) supposed to fire the torpedo that would destroy it.

      January 7, 2022 at 10:24 pm
    • Robert W Reply

      I don’t know if these premises are accurate:
      1. Tarkin as a reliable bell weather for imperial politics. (He’s military and grand vision engineering, neither political nor elected)
      2. The rebel alliance being capable of challenging the Imperial Navy for any kind of territorial dominance. (No capital ships, not even a full flight of star fighters after Y4)
      3. The rebel alliance being worthy for any systems leave imperial control. (Their only political benefactor system was just blasted into oblivion)
      4. Was the death star that much of an imperial over reach or just a big excess capacity spending program? Like the USA luxury spending on that m1Abrams tank, was it ever even necessary? Rotj says no, given how little time and energy it took to make DS2 as fully armed and operational BAIT for a majorly improved rebel fleet

      I like this question though, thank you

      January 7, 2022 at 10:40 pm
      • EXALT Reply

        You’re welcome.
        Your objections are interesting, but kinda irrelevant – because I can assure you that no one whatsoever was thinking along those lines during the production of ANH: yes, an actual war looks more like your comment than the way George Lucas portrayed it – imagine, a 70’s leftie with New Age proclivities having no clue how war actually works – but, as far as the rules established by the first movie are concerned, we’re clearly meant to think that everyone knows what they’re talking about; indeed, if we don’t the entire movie becomes a farce of two groups of people fighting for a complete irrelevancy and not the fate of the universe.
        Thank you for the answer.

        January 8, 2022 at 12:37 am
        • Chris Lopes Reply

          Remember, Lucas’s view of history was the Viet Cong (Ewoks) defeating the modern US military (The Empire). So yeah, he didn’t have a clue and didn’t want one.

          January 8, 2022 at 3:44 pm
    • furor kek tonicus ( i demand that Joe Biden disavow his treasonous endorsement of "Let's go Brandon" ) Reply

      the destruction of the first Death Star was clearly a False Flag ( seriously, they allowed the spies to copy the ACTUAL DS plans, “caught” Leia trying to transit them to the Rebels, and then allowed Leia to escape AGAIN with the ACTUAL unmodified plans ) intended to justify the genocidal war of extinction against all who would oppose the Emperor.
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      it necessarily follows that the earth shattering kaboom that ended the 1st movie was an explosive device set off by the Empire, probably just after the Death Star made a jump to hyper space. what? you BELIEVED the Empire when they told you the Death Star was too big to affix hyperdrive to? dumbass.
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      notice that this fixes at least 5 different continuity errors:
      1 – Death Star 2 would actually have been Death Star 1 undergoing a refurb/refit at the end of RotJ. this means a comparatively small additional resource drain rather than building DS2 from scratch.
      2 – the Emperor was never in the earth shattering kaboom in the first place, as he left with the Death Star
      3 – the Death Star remnants on the Endor moon of Kef Bir were actually *built in place* by the Empire, which is why the Empire’s 007 assassin would have had a knife made with the profile of the “crashed” fragment … the knife and “wreckage” were designed and built simultaneously
      4 – the Snoke clones were exclusively a psyop designed to confuse the Rebels/Republic/Jedi, Palpy’s survival into Ep9 was never even in doubt.
      5 – the territory of the Rebel Republic itself never amounted to more than a tiny backwater province of the Empire. that’s why these dum dums keep winding up on the same damn planets. the Empire actually DOES number in the millions/billions of habitable worlds, we keep winding up on Tattooine because the Republic doesn’t amount to much more than a couple dozen systems

      January 8, 2022 at 2:52 am
    • doug Reply

      Given that the trilogy was supposedly one long story broken into parts I can see why the middle would be a bit of a mess. And, Darth Vader is Dutch for dark father, and when Luke asks his uncle something about his father there is a “look” exchanged between aunt and uncle that indicates something is going on. So, I’m fairly sure that was planned from the beginning.

      My problem with Star Wars, is that it all falls apart with this type of tight analysis. Which is why I just enjoy what’s on the screen and don’t dive too deep.

      Now that Disney has killed the thing, maybe in 30 years I’ll still be around for a total reboot.

      January 8, 2022 at 3:15 am
      • RandyJJ Reply

        From what I’ve been able to see, I don’t think it would be too much to say that George Lukas literally did no planning ahead at all. None that I’ve been able to find.

        In the case of Luke’s father being Darth Vader, the estimable Tom Simon reports that Luke’s father was actually a force-ghost alongside Obi-Wan in the early drafts of ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ after the first movie’s release, and the story was not changed to make him one with Darth Vader until later. The “look” between aunt and uncle is easily explained by the fact that Luke’s father was a Jedi–something they were keeping from him and don’t seem keen on him heading off to pursue.

        The bit about Darth Vader being Dutch for ‘dark father’ is actually an urban myth. The closest Dutch words of equivalent meaning are ‘donker’ or ‘duister.’ Though Vader is Dutch.

        I highly recommend this essay of Tom Simon’s for anyone interested in the crafting and telling of stories:

        Creative Discomfort and Star Wars

        January 8, 2022 at 3:45 am
  • GEORGE PRATT Reply

    The huge change between the movie that I noticed on rewatching ANH is that Darth Vader does not realize that Princess Leia is his daughter in the opening scene. There is no way he should have missed that.

    January 7, 2022 at 11:08 pm
    • EXALT Reply

      Could have gone worse. At least she didn’t French kiss him.

      January 8, 2022 at 12:27 am
      • Chief_Tuscaloosa Reply

        Give DIS time for a “Director’s Cut” produced by KK, starring CGI Leia.

        January 9, 2022 at 12:18 am
  • The Dark Herald Reply

    My youngest has made it plain what movie Dad is taking her to next weekend.

    Oh well. Any version of Beauty and the Beast without Emma Watson is a good one.

    January 7, 2022 at 11:34 pm
    • EXALT Reply

      “Any version of Beauty and the Beast without Emma Watson is a good one.”
      Hey, that reminds me, whatever happened to Emma Watson?
      *A check on Wikipedia later*
      1)Her last movie was an adaptation of Little Women that came out in December 2019.
      2)There are no future projects listed in her filmography.
      3)The most recent “big things” she has done have been appearing in the big Harry Potter Reunion Special a few days ago – you know, the one without Joanne “Transphobe” Rowling – and hosting a panel at the “2021 United Nations Climate Change Conference” with the Gretard as a guest of honor.
      That’s just sad, man.

      January 8, 2022 at 12:16 am
    • Codex Reply

      I was going to ask what all of you all thought of it. Of course, I’m pretty sure it won’t be legal for me to go see it.
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      It is odd how little I have noticed being ostentatiously excluded from the Establishment.
      .
      The only troubling question is how easy it is to strike the colors and hoist the jolly Roger.
      .
      Another link with a description of Belle
      https://thekitsunetwork.net/2022/01/07/watch-belle-in-theaters/

      January 8, 2022 at 2:57 am
      • doug Reply

        I’m already downloading the Subbed version. I prefer dubs, but that isn’t available yet.

        January 8, 2022 at 3:18 am
    • doug Reply

      That looks good. No chance it will show anywhere around me.

      January 8, 2022 at 3:19 am
    • doug Reply

      Update: I just watched the subbed version. Its pretty good. It takes a lot from the Disney version including a Ghaston character. It’s mostly CGI made to look like hand drawn. I have trouble following along with subs as my attention wanders from the screen. I would like to see it in English.

      January 8, 2022 at 5:52 am
    • Linguavert Reply

      Am I the only one who was reminded of “Jem and the Holograms”? The Plain Jane heroine’s alter ego is a singer with bright pink hair!

      January 8, 2022 at 8:05 pm
  • furor kek tonicus ( i demand that Joe Biden disavow his treasonous endorsement of "Let's go Brandon" ) Reply

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jo1BM573xQ
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    Gary doesn’t directly reference my assertion that NOBODY IN POP CULTURE READS COMICS ANYMORE but he DOES assert that if he does own a comic book store in the future he won’t bother carrying Current Year Marvel and DC titles.
    .
    Gary is also a Doomcunt style fence post sitter who still adheres to all of the “Inclusion and Equality” shibboleths, he’s just unhappy that he’s being excluded from the Inclusion.

    January 8, 2022 at 4:48 am
  • GSD Reply

    “Given that the trilogy was supposedly one long story broken into parts I can see why the middle would be a bit of a mess. And, Darth Vader is Dutch for dark father, and when Luke asks his uncle something about his father there is a “look” exchanged between aunt and uncle that indicates something is going on. So, I’m fairly sure that was planned from the beginning.”

    Hate to point this out but you are wrong. Look into the script history of ESB, Vader as Luke father was not introduced into late into the program. There was no plans for a grand trilogy, the follow up for Star Wars was “Splinter of the Minds Eye” written by Alan Dean Foster with input from Lucas. He actually changed some scenes in the book because they would be cheaper to shoot. Luke and Leia were NOT brother and sister in the book and written internal monologue indicates they had the hots for each other.

    No one expected Star Wars to be the monster it was, most of all Lucas. When it blew the doors off the box office the studio backed up with a truck full of money and said MORE and here we are.

    January 8, 2022 at 9:55 am
    • Chief_Tuscaloosa Reply

      And the toy companies brought their own trucks. Which is how we got Ewoks in RTOJ. It’s telling that the OT movie fans love the most is the one that had the least George Lucas involved in it: ESB.

      And you know it still ticks Lucas off to this day.

      January 9, 2022 at 12:21 am
  • furor kek tonicus ( i demand that Joe Biden disavow his treasonous endorsement of "Let's go Brandon" ) Reply

    hell, if you watch the deleted scenes from Ep4, you’ll observe that there’s a peasant girl on Tattooine who is just as abusive, obnoxious and entitled towards Luke as Princess Leia is on the Death Star.
    .
    which, while probably too true to life for Hollywood, is narratively confusing for the audience. while obnoxious, Leia can fall back on TWO different justifications for her treatment of Han and Luke:
    1 – she was raised to be royalty in an aristocratic household, thus she’s superior to the lumpenproletariat
    2 – she’s in the middle of a Revolutionary Act against the Empire. ie – she’s “politically aware” of her ideological superiority relative to the lumpenproletariat

    January 8, 2022 at 4:51 pm
  • doug Reply

    Okay, I admit it. I am wrong about Star Wars.

    I will still love the original trilogy, and even like the prequels. But thats it.

    January 9, 2022 at 4:56 am
    • L. Beau Macaroni Reply

      January 9, 2022 at 7:53 am
  • furor kek tonicus ( Whipper Snapping Egg Suckers is my band name ) Reply

    so, i watched the new Spiderman this evening. it’s not a good movie.
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    there are too many characters over all and WAY too many villains. and many of the villains are *bad*. the motivations of most of the bad guys amounts to them ignoring Jordy Peterson and being off of their meds. Doc Ock saves the day?
    .
    Dr Strange does stupid things and makes stupid and UNHEROIC ( if they die, they die ) decisions for no reason other than setting the plot off. the justification for Strange no longer being the Sorcerer Supreme was just asinine, the first thing that Wong should have done ( after ascertaining that it really was Strange and that Strange was ok ) would have been to offer back the position of SS to Strange upon his reappearance. i mean, Strange IS STILL the more powerful sorcerer, yes? lastly, a major portion of the fight between Holland and Strange evidently takes place over the Grand Canyon, as there are a least two credits for helicopter pilot and cinematography in that location … it never even occurred to me while watching the film that the GC was supposed to be the fight location.
    Strange also makes the accusation that Parker’s problems are due to his living a “double life” and concealing his identity as Spiderman … what the everliving fack? 99% of the MCU heroes conceal a secret identity and the only reason Strange doesn’t have one is because he’s got a spell cast on the Sanctum Sanctorum so no one pays attention to it and no one in the “public” knows who he is. ie – Strange USES SORCERY TO MAKE HIS WHOLE IDENTITY SECRET
    .
    the Spidey fights pale in comparison to “rending all of time and space” being done by Strange’s spell crashing and burning. is this a return of Spiderman to a “small stakes” movie or are we destroying the universe again?
    .
    the fight scenes are awful, confusing and far too dependent on CGI manipulation. there’s WAY too much of the “hero landing” that Black Widow was lampshading almost a year ago.
    .
    Spiderman opens the movie with news agencies all around the planet blaming him for the murder of Mysterio and being the cause of massive destruction in London, Berlin and Prague ( amongst other places ) through the misappropriation of Stark Inc technologies

    for which Parker winds up getting arrested and charged

    for which Matt Murdoch / Daredevil represents him

    and the charges “poof” magically disappear? what? a FedGov agency arrests you and almost everyone you know and is pressing charges on everyone in sight for multiple war crimes and terrorist acts and then they just up and go away? have you ever dealt with a power mad bureaucrat?

    also, Murdoch reveals his identity to Parker and nothing ever comes of that.
    .
    i could go on but at this point i’m just beating a dead horse.
    .
    so, what was good about NWH?
    1 – all 3 Spidermen were respected
    2 – Zendaya wasn’t an obnoxious cunt, there was actually what might be termed “mutual respect” between her and Peter
    3 – they didn’t let Marissa Tomei turn Aunt May into a lesbian
    4 – there were actually scenes in the movie which had emotional impact … this doesn’t apply to any of the universe rending stuff, mind you.
    .
    in the end credits, Venom makes an entrance to the MCU and Dr Strange experiences the transporter malfunction which turns him into Khan.
    .
    i haven’t watched any of the previous Spiderman movies except Far From Home ( which i thought sucked donkey balls ). this movie IS better than FFH, by a long way. but it’s still not anything i can recommend. if you want to watch an action movie, chuck Fury Road in the DVD player.

    January 10, 2022 at 4:29 am
    • furor kek tonicus ( Whipper Snapping Egg Suckers is my band name ) Reply

      oh yes, i forgot to mention J Jonah Jameson, whom they are using to spoof Alex Jones.
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      as i pointed out, the worldwide MSM story is that Spiderman/Parker has misappropriated Stark tech to commit multiple acts of terrorism and war crimes.
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      JJJ is, as one would expect, using this to accuse Parker of being an “enemy of the people”.
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      this position is termed the “conspiracy theory” … believing the MSM story is now the conspiracy theory? well, you know what they say, “confession through projection”.

      January 10, 2022 at 4:36 am
  • Brick Hardslab Reply

    I do not see the name Leigh Brackett.

    Bunch of slack jawed faggots. Reading Brackett will make you into a sexual tyrannosaurus, just like me.

    January 12, 2022 at 4:00 pm

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